The P6 arrived in 1963, after a drawn-out development process. This is fantastic from start to finish. After a couple of years he drove the Rover to a Porshe dealer and took a test drive. The New Rover 3500s Age for me began in 1984 when, cruising the quiet, tree-lined streets of Mill Valley, just north of the Golden Gate Bridge, I saw her parked along the street: a 1970 3500s placarded for $3500. For a moment I thought it might be a Peugeot 404, but it was too wide. Id like another but owners who really dont understand them are drawn by price point and try to make them out to be ridiculously rare. When she suffered a severe internal breakdown, a Chinese army engineer friend a genius in fact spent time looking into every best stethoscope guide she could find, purchased one with the last bit of her money, examined her body with the stethoscope and eventually performed a kind of endoscopy on her flanks. Certainly not impossible, but if Cal wanted to sell his car in Canada, some planning would be required beyond exchanging funds and signing over the title. What a tale. When I started this trip, I had half a mind to sell her. Restored-Original, All rights reserved, 2023 CLASSIC.COM Inc. Track recent comps for the classic or exotic cars you own - or the cars you want. We were unable to find anything matching your exact search criteria. European-spec 3500s were only subtly different externally from the 2000, with a deeper valance below the bumper for a larger radiator, and some fairly discrete V8 and 3500 badges, as well as a few other details. . US Customs duty $150. My mistake. CC Carma! The replacement was a ghastly underpowered Mk 2 Triumph 2000 automatic, another disappointment for him. Of course this is after Fiat left America. The rights to build the Buick V8 were bought from Buick, which had abandoned it after 1963 in favor of a cheaper and less problematic cast iron evolution of its design. Great Cars. Often there would follow a more informed comment on why the car was great: de Dion rear suspension; front-end crash protection; a hundred other engineering innovations which made this car great. We had no reservations, but I noticed a motel up on top of the bluff, with what had to be great views. Princess Grace had decided to drive herself, instead of using her chauffeur, as the trunk and back seat was full of luggage. Compared to the dowdy old P5, it was gorgeous and a great big, for the UK, all aluminium V8. Someone may have improved upon this process in the 16 years since I last owned one, but that was one job that I finally took the car to the shop for after spending a frustrating DIY weekend trying to change pads without a lift and not wanting to make a hole to get at them. To be sure, 1200 miles away, he had half a mind to sell it there and fly home. In the late 1980s I had purchased quite a collection of rare parts at the big Beaulieu Autojumble in the south of England. Apparently it is easiest to go over there and use your passport to be seen as a one-time temporary shipper. I was briskly hustled into a secure room without windows, where I saw my briefcase sitting unopened on a desk, and one security official standing off to the side. Set an alert to be notified of new listings. The one car that was a constant in my ever-changing lineup of cars during my years at University (and for a few after) was a 1972 Rover 2000 automatic. Post-mortem results indicated the initial loss-of-control may have been medical. Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! LOL. So, rare? 1200 miles away, he had half a mind to sell it there and fly home. 1970 Rover 3.5 Litre Coupe Classic Drive Transcending Type: Sampling the original four-door coupe and a successor at the birthplace of Transcendentalism See all 21 photos Daniel Byrne. I was told the coils would be put in a separate box and kept in a secure location on the airplane, and I would be able to retrieve them from US Customs after I landed at Dulles Airport. Fantastic! Jaguar, Corvette, and even Corvair had upper and lower control arms by that point. This one has it all a rare find, delightful owners and a truly compelling story, all ably brought together in PNs inimitable way. This car was manufactured for export to the United States in Warwickshire, England. Auction Results and Sales Data for 1970 Rover 3500S - Conceptcarz.com I also saw a Rover gas turbine from the early 1950s run hooked up to a dyno, happily on the outside of its soundproof (well nearly) room. VIEW METAL DETAILS. 1970 Rover 3500s P6 Saloon for Sale in Sonoma California. 1974 Rover P6 3500S. Maybe it was because the Rover didnt overheat in almost 100 degree weather, practically miraculous for one of these cars. Or maybe it was the pure joy of driving his mistress of twenty years up the Pacific coast. And the little extension on the top of turn signal lens allowed the driver to confirm that they were actually working. 2.8 in. Great story with universal appeal. Rover looked to be in precarious shape in the US, and tried one more comeback with the SD1 3500, but that turned out badly in the US too. Fun story and a great read, and a really amazing encounter. Is there anyone here who would not have loved joining these four (or five?) Nice job Paul. Ive got to admit that having owned a two year old car that needed a transmission that cost about two thirds as much as a new economy car would not have inspired me to own another of the same make. The rear digs in and has a tendancy to want to swing out under full throttle. No they are still aluminium but have an internal stiffener. For what these cost in the States, you could buy something much larger and more powerful that was less demanding of service and which could be repaired by any idiot in any gas station. Ive read a few articles on the P6, not many, but this was the first time to learn that those hood scoops had a summer and winter setting. built in roll cage, independent 4 wheel suspension, disc brakes, wool carpets vinyl seats (3500) 2000s were leather. My oh my, this is amazing! A bit of trivia about the boot-mounted spare: the bootlids for cars with the exterior spare mount are substantially different to ones without it. Still, a very useful item to have. In fact IRS was pretty rare in those days, usually only high end cars. I know absolutely nothing about these cars, other than the fact that you would see a few around L.A. back then. Sold Price: 9,562 Sold Date: 29th Apr 2020. The owners comments about being buried with the Rover reminds of the curious times when that does happen, which here in the US is not as uncommon as it might seem, there was the lady buried with her Corvair a couple of years ago, the old man buried IN his 1973 Catalina, a woman buried with her 76 Eldorado convertible, and the most famous, Sandra West, the oil heiress buried in her 1964 Ferrari 330GT down in Texas in 1977. Thanks for posting the story. Boot/trunk lid is aluminium as is the bonnet but the carrier ones were steel or heavily braced to carry the weight. There were lots of these cars around on Vancouver Island when I was a kid. Port Orford is a quiet little hamlet with a natural harbor, and just about the most unspoiled town on the whole Oregon coast. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. A unique front suspension and inboard disc brakes in the rear were a bit of a pain but the ice alert drew comments from whoever saw the front up close. More recently (say 5 years ago) I saw some jet dragsters run from as close as 10 metres away! Encouraged by her survival in Taiwan in an environment sans Rover parts and mechanics, my Rover came along, again bumping over the back roads with hardly a complaint. And in this case, Mr Calvin Mehlert fullfills the marketing strategy they had in mind. So I bought a Rover 3500S (the British stick shift version) in this color for 50 Pounds, loaded it up with all my stuff and headed for the ferry. S is for 4 speed manual ???? Learn how your comment data is processed. There are 5 Rover P6 for sale across all model years (1963 to 1977) and 3 1970 Rover P6 right now. Especially so in the US, where expectations for reliability are as high as the distances typically driven, the Rovers reputation, relatively high price for a four cylinder sedan and the lack of a strong dealer network amounted to weak sales and a weakened reputation. Fascinating. 8 cyl., 215.00 CID., 184.00hp $5,400 - $5,400 Industry Production Automobile Production Rover Production Highest Production 1965 1966 1967 1968 0 1,000,000 2,000,000 3,000,000 We approached long low stable-like garage with six sections, each of which housed a classic automobile of some sort. I saw one of these at an independent garage on the Danforth in Toronto several years ago. Static ignition is well forward as the CR is still original at 8.4:1 but it doesnt have any reversion and in fact doesnt have any issues whatsoever actually. indicators at each front corners, but for the power windows and factory a/c. Plus, reasonable sized saloon (but smaller and lighter than the local fare) V8 and RWD. I have had a couple of wacky experiences with semi-trailing arms in wet weather that werent exactly confidence inspiring. An agent approached to explain that there was a 1969 Rover 2000 SC for sale, emphasizing delicately that this was just the poor cousin of the more elegant cars inside. Amazing those little extensions on the turn signals are still present. We empower classic and exotic car buyers, sellers, and enthusiasts with insights for the collector car industry - including market values, price comparisons, listing alerts and more. Manage Settings Lets Cal tell us the story of how he became a Roverphile: In 1969 when on home leave from the US Embassy in Taiwan and en route back to Taipei, I asked my friend Lord Michael Lindsay of Birker, to recommend a used car to take back to Taiwan. I also have the pricing for overseas delivery. I had a hard time imagining Cal selling the Rover there, but Nguyet was rather in favor of that, and we didnt know the outcome until I e-mailed him to ask. That was a Peugeot 504. Id like to think that our chance encounter with him along the way and gushing over his splendid and very rare Rover might have played a very small part. Your email address will not be published. Personally, I want a series 2 with the eggcrate front grille a 3.9l EFi RV8 making about 220-250bhp and the 5-speed LT77 from an SD1. Built over a decade, the P6 offered its custome. And the V-8 was in some respects easier to maintain than the four in the Rover 2000 V-8s had hydraulic lifters, whereas the fours valve clearances had to be set with shims, something I think required removing the cam. I piled a huge number of boxes in and around the car, using many old bedding duvets as padding. I hope to be as adventuresome at 86 as Cal. Love to have it if its still for sale. Rover 2000CS image: classiccarcatalog.com. Title. Her green Rover 3500 was 11 years old when she lost control, and went over a cliff, and crashed back in September,1982. $8,995. The front end of these always reminds me of a 1963 Plymouth. . I do believe that Corgi or Dinky offered a decent quality diecast model of this car. I believe were only available in NA, and they (well, the a/c specifically) would make a P6 so usable today. But NA-bound versions were instantly recognizable by their prominent triple hood scoops. He died shortly afterwards. buying and selling classic and collector vehicles. Id like to buy this 3500S, having grown up in the test cars and later R driving mums 3500S Dad worked for Rover Motor Co in Brisbane, CA. The Rover P6 debuted in 1963, initially replacing the Rover P4, and eventually the Rover P5. In the case of the Corvette, there was plenty of profit in the car, so no problem with the cost of the IRS. Flew like a BOH!! They say a pictures worth a thousand words, but Im sure you can sling a few words and pics of it together and send em to Paul! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Average price for catalytic converters in the US. I remember seeing a 2000 driving around the grounds of a car show stripped of all external panels, doors, roof years ago now. All the Rovers made for export were converted to a left-hand drive before leaving the factory. automatic transmission, larger disc brakes, wider wheels and tires, Adwest Varamatric power The power windows are also quite the surprise. Rover reprinted an R&T road test of the 3500. I remember running the turbine at 45,000 rpm, and the noise, even when standing outside the test cell, was incredible. Price at the plant in Sulihill was $4,198.00. Hats off to Calvin for keeping the car mobile all these years. My rover is only one of a handful that is currently liscenced and roadworks in Canada. Needless to say, his did not have Icelert, and I did not know it existed until today. Of course the P6s didnt survive the demographic change heralded by poxy McMansions, trophy wives and wretched 4WDs. The guy who converted it was an LPG mechanic and he kept the car for 31 years, only selling to me because his wife had tired of trying to park it when shopping lol. Indeed, the Corvette got a multi-link IRS, as did the Corvair. The advance curve of the ignition timing is not compatible with both fuels; British cars tend to run hot anyway so I would not recommend LPG in any of them. Found in Hanahan, South Carolina by Anthony M, this Rover is available here on craigslist for $12,000. Their replacement was a Honda Civic of the day back in 2004. 200 Million used auto parts instantly searchable. great parts car or restoration project! carburetors, the Rover 3500 engine was rated at 184 gross/146 net hp; a substantial jump over the four, and much more amenable to being teamed with an automatic transmission (Borg-Warner 35), which all 3500s had, until 1971, when the European-spec 3500S became available with a four-speed stick. Excellent article on a much maligned motor. Copyright 2022 AntiqueTrip.Com All Rights Reserved. Only about 1700 of these cars were produced for sale in North America before they were discontinued in 1971. Found in Hanahan, South Carolina by Anthony M, this Rover is available here on craigslist for $12,000. Your choices are basically to either drop the rear axle or cut a hole in the box section above the differential and get at them that way. Please Visit Our Sponsors : Home Values Im probably forgetting a bunch. Although the Magnum 500s on that one example nail it. Rover, For Life - Rover 3500 S | Hemmings Theres a grey restomodded P6 driving around Melbourne at the moment, apart from that I see the occasional black grille version. The $12K asking price is madness. Classifieds for Classic Rover 3500S. However the hood pins are a turnoff. Think VW, FIAT 500, 600, 850, Renault Dauphine & R8, Simca 1000, NSU, Skoda, Zaporozhets, BMW 600 & 700, Subaru 360, and the Sunbeam Imp. 1970 Rover 3500S Values - J.D. Power SPECIFICATIONS Body Exterior: Immensely strong base unit fitted with detachable body panels. The suspension is certainly unusual, but not beyond the understanding (or capabilities) of mortal man. I introduced myself to Calvin and told him Id love to get some shots after they checked in. 1970 Rover 3500 S - CLASSIC.COM Buy! Its hard to imagine these sharing showroom floor space with the gorgeous by comparison P5. More Other Makes classic cars for sale. I noticed the power window controls too, probably because they stand out as being so different from all the other components in the interior. (first posted 6/27/2014. Lets see what makes this example so special. One dark night Michael took me to an impressive mansion in the Virginia countryside, surrounded by a menacing wrought iron fence with a telephone-operated gate. . The rear disc brakes are inboard, to reduce unsprung weight. He ended up buying a 72 Beetle which was a good choice given their rugged reliability. To these have been added a 3.5 litre aluminum V-8 engine, Borg-Warner Type 35 3-speed Most succumbed to the British disease, and the fact that finding anyone who actually know how to work on them was very very difficult outside of Victoria BC. Fantastic Paul, great presentation of a very interesting story. The Bottom Line is that this Rover has made two 2,400 round trips from San Jose, California, to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (2008 and 2014) without the slightest mechanical problem. More on that in Cals account. And then we all walked down to the little fish-shanty restaurant on the dock for a fresh ling cod dinner, where Cal regaled us with the stories of his Rover affairs that go back all the way to 1969 as well as other snippets of his colorful life in the Foreign Service. A lot of that stuff mag-style wheel covers, pinstriping is regarded with varying degrees of horror by British P6 fans, although I cant say that the awful plastic grille or hood bulges on late British cars are any better. the European version, the 3500, is already a very great success in Europe, but it was Cal and his Rover mistress are now firmly in it for the long haul, and hes going to share their love story with us today, after we first take a look at his car and its history. Maybe, but rareness is overrated, you either want a car like this Rover 3500 S or you dont (bought it on a whim?). https://roverp6australia.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1970-Rover-3500S-Automatic-NADA-Brochure-PDF.pdf?msclkid=c31880dece8911ecab06515ec3ad4a47. So I peeled off a few shots, for an Outtake. I once met an owner I knew only by sight (we called him Mr Metal Grille because of his Series I car real name Mr R Davey) and asked about his white Rover only to be told Its French Ivory. Home Cars for Sale Rover 3500S Classic Rover 3500S For Sale 1980 Rover 3500S Price $8,395 Rover3500Ss by Year 1980 Rover 3500S More RoverClassics 3500S P6 SDI All Makes Abarth ABC AC Acoma Acura Addax PRSNCAT is correct. The material above is reprinted from the original British Leyland press release for North American . The P6s unusual long-travel front suspension incorporated struts, bell cranks, and horizontal coil springs, and was designed to accommodate a low and wide turbine, but that was not to be. Ive only ever seen oneit passed by as I was having lunch near the beach in Nags Head, NC in 2012. Your search has been automatically expanded to show you results that you may be interested in. 2022 Mazda CX-5; 2019 Chevrolet Equinox; 2018 Jeep Compass; 2022 Jeep Grand . Despite them, 3500s still had a rep for not staying cool, regardless. ..but i love fun cars ..the rat rod pick up is heaps of fun ..runs a 327 with deuce set-up through a turbo 400 ..has Model A suicide doors (two door had them right?) CC of the year indeed! Selling our rare, survivor 1980 Rover SD! He revealed it in his anthology, The Best of Bax.. Now add brown and Id guess nobodyll see you sneaking down the highway significantly faster than you should. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Aluminum Fuel Injected V8 wit . I think someone did say at some point old herpes was a Peugeot but this would make sense. I nominate this piece for the 2014 Curbie award. That one I did learn the hard way. Happy daze indeed! His column was always my favorite part of the magazine. (I must add a sad footnote: six months after we left, the six main tribal elements, their mutual hostilities having been held in check for years by President Tolbert and his predecessors, assassinated Tolbert and fell to cutting one another up African-style. Performance was lively for the times, with a 114 mph top speed and a 0-60 time of about 10.5 seconds. I was asked about the contents in the case. Didnt go there as I am not sure of when this control went out in favor of, say, the typical 73 control. I think they were asking $1500 for it. Classic cars for sale in the most trusted collector car marketplace in the world. I would buy that Rover just based on the fact I liked it as a kid. All NADA versions were Borg Warner 3-speed automatics. Ive owned 4 of them, all identical except for body color. Unfortunately, they just look tacked on. British engineering used one bolt to hold the hood latch and safety latch :( When it came loose the hood flew up in front of you and broke the windshield also :( I was a parts manager for a dealer in Princeton and it happened enough that I kept one in stock. Its certainly possible that it was capable of 70,000 rpm. Current Price. Phone: 480-285-1600 Email: [email protected] Address: 7400 E Monte Cristo Ave Scottsdale, AZ 85260. Exotic to most Americans, especially those of us too young to remember these as new(ish) cars. A later stroke the next day in hospital caused her death. No Reserve: 1970 Rover 3500S Project - Bring a Trailer When Calvin Mehlert, age 86, left San Jose behind the wheel of his 1970 Rover 3500S this past May (2014) and pointed it north towards a British Car Show in Vancouver, B.C. I was shipping a Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud 1 from the UK to America. He bought the engine and had it shipped back to England and installed in a P6. Semi-trailing arms really werent that bad in my experience either, provided the engine was in the front. I suspect we were limited to 45,000 rpm to lessen the chance of turbine blades being flung about the lab (and beyond). How could that not appeal to the US public? My own CC is a so-called 160HP 1969 225 Valiant (Aussie) manual trans and it runs 100% on dedicated LPG and has done since conversion during 1971. I have seen exactly 1 Rover in the metal. It truly sums up what that relationship is like. Doesnt seem like the S added much, Im sure a fantastic car to drive, if it starts, that is,,. Maybe this seller found out the expensive way. To keep valve seat recession at bay the VF has been running a top-end combustible vacuum oil-feed system known locally as Moreys right from conversion days. Rust and complex mechanics keep the prices down due to restoration costs. 57,100 milesOlder restorationKept in temperature controlled garage3.5L V-8 engineBorg Warner automatic transmissionBooks and keys1 of 285 imported. that goes into these type of builds to be respect-worthy. / 3500 with on 72.283 miles. Note the hood scoops, besides looking like something from a Boy Racer mashup, they are unique to U.S. 3500 S and are intended to provide additional cooling to an already cramped engine compartment. Designed in-house by Spen King, David Bache and Gordon Bashford, the newcomer featured a pontoon chassis, pushrod, Introduced in 1963, the Rover P6 was a truly innovative design. When he got home he said hed always wanted a Porshe but when he got back in the Rover he liked it better. The presence of a 1970 Rover 3500 S in the lives of Robert and William Sayre is living proof of this transfer, and for these brothers, this car has the additional honor of representing good health and a continuing celebration of life. No keys spares in trunk. Or maybe re-engineered hinges and latches. I forget if it was a 2000TC or a 3500. Neat car for the right person. steering, Delco electrically operated power windows, periodicity windshield wiping system, Here the only foreign cars were American and a scattering of Japanese impertinences. I didnt know how this story would end, whether he did or didnt sell the Rover in Vancouver, until he e-mailed me after their return home in the 3500. The only folks I knew who owned one of those got rid of it as quickly as possible. Definitely the essence of CC, and what an alluring car it is! A better solution presented itself accidentally when Rover Managing Director William Martin-Hurst came across a Buick aluminum V8 engine on a visit to Mercury Marine in 1964. Like Don W., I used to see a few of these around LA in the early 70s. 1970 Rover 3500S - conceptcarz.com Or, I had a friend who drove one of these. Yeah, its funny to read all the descriptions of Rover V8s on here as being disastrously unreliable, when Triumph Stag owners in the UK would routinely fit them as the reliable alternative to their overheating V8. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Seems strange to me, surely such an interesting historical vehicle should be worth more!? Enjoyed each word of the history. 3) . The Rover 3500S with its V-8 engine, power steering, factory designed and installed air He found the coils and after a few minutes of poking around with a wooden wand, he picked them up for a closer look. It would have required a new longer nose and beefed up suspension to carry the additional weight. We know the market so you don't have to. 2 vehicles matched Now showing page 1 of 1. The only condition would be the one imposed on me by the first owner: a solemn promise to keep her in a garage as he had done. You could be right about the rpms, it was 15-20 years ago now. Its much easier to replace the entire thing than it is to try to add in all the necessary bracing; without it, expect a seriously-dented bootlid with a top-mounted spare waiting to tear itself out on a curve. The first ever recognized watching them on british television serials as a lil kid during the 70s. My dad had one for 12 days before he rolled it on an icy road. So I guess this brown color is indeed good for making the car quite invisible? Not the voice of direct experience on this one, but I did know someone who tried to convert to an external carrier with no bracing and disastrous results. Tim 3107468299 Buyer is responsible for pick up. One thing I will agree on being a complete pain: changing the rear brake pads and / or discs. We quickly settled on a price of $1750 and my lifelong subservience to a Rover Mistress had begun. 1970 Rover 3500s V8 - Davidsclassiccars.com It must have sat on the lot for over a year because the highlight of my trip was to see if the Rover was still there. Get 1970 Rover 3500S trim level values and reviews. Adj. Sadly, various conspiracy theories now seem to abound about many cases of proven, actual facts nowadays, particularly in the USA. Fantastic article. San Francisco, Ca. No, Rover wasnt trying to make it look competitive with all the hood scoops popping up like acne on so many American muscle cars of the time. Contact Us First Name Last Name 1970 Rover 3500S | eBay Back to home page | Listed in category: eBay Motors Cars & Trucks Other Makes This Buy It Now listing has ended. I had to read it a couple of times and I was still..huh? eBay item number: 165978013985 Last updated on Mar 14, 2023 14:38:56 PDT View all revisions Item specifics 1970 Rover P6 Market - CLASSIC.COM Help Center. I really want to like the P6, but there are just too many ungainly design details about. its cage-like base unit construction, unique suspension system, excellent disc brakes on This one-of-a-kind "survivor" 1970 Rover 3500S is all original in period-appropriate "Tobacco Leaf" trim with the famous Rover 3.5L V8 under the hood. The obvious problem was that I wasnt going to get through customs as it would get prohibitively expensive to bring a car in to Sweden. Current value for 1970 ROVER 3500S collector cars. Heres my web site and youll see that well keep it as it should be. Popular Cars for Sale. It was a combination of factors, including Rovers damaged reputation from the 2000, sketchy service and parts, and the P6 was hardly fresh-looking anymore by then. 1970 Rover 3500. Im very envious of the NA P6, not for the hood scoops or the multiple (why?) The 3500S was one of the P6 series of cars, a model with production beginning in 1963 from British manufacturer Rover Company Limited. The compact 215 cubic inch (3528 cc) V8 fit perfectly in the engine bay, and weighed only a few pounds more than the four cylinder. But when he still had it, that shiny BRG 3500 was his pride and joy. David Saunders covered much of the P6s unique and very advanced design in his Rover 2000TC article here, so Ill stick to some highlights as well as the specific changes to the V8. As a young teenager I thought this thing was the coolest car having those 3 hood scopes. Still have it somewhere. Big fan of British cars, but these always looked like the styling was off. The next morning after packing, we bid Cal and his lovely wife Nguyet goodbye, and wished them a happy journey to Vancouver. How rare? if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_13',148,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0'); The seller states, I bought it on a whim in 2020 From BaT and just dont have time to work on it.
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